?What's the point

[Joey]

Hi everyone

I'm sorry for writting in english but I can't type in Arabic
I registered a while ago and since that time I keep checking the website regulary and I can't deny that I like't and I always keep checking for new "news" that I can't find in other places
I never thought of posting any topics before or even reply to any topic .. I'm just not that talkative
But lately I've been noticing something and I can't help not to post about't

It's the attitude of members here, Christian and Muslims .. and Christians can be worse sometimes which amaze me
This site represents christians to many people ... you have got a lot of power in here but you are not reponsible enough
and responsibility should equal power which is the problem here
I know some members register here and start posting just to create debates and fights ... but the way ppl reply to them is just WRONG!
they reply back the same way and maybe worse while this members can just be ignored and moderators can deal with them proffisionally by issuing warns or banning
and some christians should be banned too for the way they reply and talk
you should keep the forum "clean"
also the provoking titles that some members start just for the sake of insulting Islam and everything related to it
what's the point?
does proving Islam wrong will make Christianity look better?
you can do a lot better than insulting Islam and debating over nothing
Show a good picture of Christians, you are not helping
what all this insults to Muslims? don't you have muslim friends?
if yes, don't you think they would stop talking to you if they saw what you say here
and if no, then you should really get ones because there's many good muslims out there like there's many bad christians out there
and why we always keep bringing up religion in everything, and by "we" i mean arabs, muslims and christians
it's something between you and God
every1 is free to believe in what ever he wants
just stop arguing over nothing
why not just understand the word "Diversity"?
that every1 around you can simply be different and it's not our business, you are different to them too
I hope you stop opening topics about Islam and write about Christianity
Rude members should be warned or banned
Religious ppl should set a good example in general, muslims or christians ... not fight all the time like they always do
If we put Atheists and Satanists in 1 place, they r not gonna argue like you do and they gonna respect each other much more
I hope I didn't offend anyone by my post, and if I did .. I'm sorry

Peace,
Joseph

PS:I'm Christian and I understand arabic very well

[hanna3]

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في الغالب نعم في هذة الحالة اضغطط للبرنامج علي عربي AR
ثم اضغط علي حروف الكتابة ستجد الخط عربي وعلي كل حرف انجليزي قمت بالضغط علية سيكتب حروف عربية فمثلا ستجدعا هكذا

Q W E R T Y U I O P
ح خ ه ع غ ف ق ث ص ض

وكما تري تحت كل حرف انجليزي حرف اخر عربي وبالتمرين تدريجي ستكتب عرب جيد
فقط ارجو ان تراجع كتابتك كل مرة الي ان تعتاد علي الكتابة والرب يباركك سلام المسيح
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[Joey]

hmmm ... I don't get what you mean
are you asking me to re-write the topic in Arabic?!
because no way i'm going to do so
I know how to turn on the arabic language but I don't have arabic keybaord and it would take me forever anyway to write in Arabic
I'm sure there's ppl around who understand English very well so no point of asking me write in Arabic since I already mentioned in my first lines that I can't

pretty clear I guess... ;)

[CrocodileTearz]

[LEFT]

does proving Islam wrong will make Christianity look better?

لا, لكنه توجيه لمن يريد ان ان رسالة هذه الديانية غير سوية, حتى منظور الفلسفى لبروحانى.


by "we" i mean arabs, muslims and christians


نحن لسنا عرب, و اعتقد ان العرب المسيحين هم من تنصر من العرب. لان معظم شعوب الشرق الاوسط اقدم و اعرق من العرب.


و لاجيب على مداخلتك,

واضح انك لا تعيش فى بلد عربى و لم تزور بلد عربى قبل كده

[Joey]

I live in Egypt since my birth and never left

[yaweeka]

I live in Egypt since my birth and never left



ok let me lay it down simple so that you wuld know
wherewe are coming from

we believe that our problems in Egypt stem from Islam
therefore we are exposing Islam so that Muslims might start thinking that Islam is not perfect but has its fallacies
only then would they respect our calls to keep Islam out of political life

and please don't think that we are Arabs, it's like stabbing our Coptic ancestors in the back
they fought hard in order for us to remain COPTS

[2ana 7or]

أخونا فى الأيمان جو ........

ماذا تقول لقيادات الجماعات الاسلامية التى تطلب أعتذار من قداسة البابا شنودة الثالث عن تلك المسرحية و انت طبعا عارف ان المسرحية لم ترقى الى مستوى التجريح فى المسلمين لنها تم عرضها داخل الكنيسة ليوم واحد فقط و انت تعلم تمما ان الكنيسة لا تسمح بأى تجاوزات و ساتكون فى مستوى ما يقدم على شاشات التليفزيون و السينما فى محاربة الجماعات السلامية المتطرفة؟

ماذا تقول من أهدر دماء قداسة البابا و انت تعرف تماما ان الشعب القبطى مظلوم مما أدى الى بكاء قداسته فى الأجتماع الأخير؟

ماذا ترد على مصطفى بكرى و الصحافة الصفراء التى لا يمر أصدار الا و بها مقال يهاجم الشعب القبطى و رموزه؟

ماذا تقول للشاب الذى طعن الراهبة و المحامى الذى حاول مساعدتها؟

ماذا تقول للبشرالذين هاجموا الكنايس و حرقوها ؟ ماذا تقول للذين داسوا على الأناجيل باقدامهم و أحرقوها ؟

و سئلة أخرى كثيرة و عديدة أرجوا أن تجاوب عليها ... و يا ريت تسئلة أصدقائك المسلمين ... و صلتنى هذه السئلة من بعض الأقباط الغاضبين و اللذين يطالبون بحقوقهم فى مصرنا الحبيبة ... كيف ارد عليهم لأنى مش موافق على غضبهم؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

[Joey]

Forget about "arabs" part, I meant middle east culture
I take't back

But from what you are saying i feel this's a political forum? I thought it's about copts and christianity?
and you think you are exposing Islam this way? tell me, if you logged in any forum and found ppl insulting Christianity, would you believe or care about anything they say?
what respect you are talking about? the road you are walking will never get you respect from anyone ... I, myself as a Christian, I'm tired of all this insults to Muslims ... that's not we are, and that was never our way

No 1 will accept your demands if you keep that way, believe me
you think this's Jesus teachings? think again

[Joey]

Sorry "2ana 7or"
I didn't see your reply
I'm not defending what they do, but you think insulting Muslims is the solution? that's gonna help?
and I talk with my muslim friends, and they think it's silly and stupid what happened ... and crossed all limits
don't insult ppl for their religion, color, country or whatever .... this's kind of racism
if they r bad, we r good.. we should set an example
eye for an eye ends up making the whole world blind

[yaweeka]

[LEFT]Forget about "arabs" part, I meant middle east culture
I take't back

But from what you are saying i feel this's a political forum? I thought it's about copts and christianity



وهو القبطى يعنى ما ينفعش يتكلم فى السياسة؟
ايوة ده منتدى سياسي اكثر منه دينى
لو رجعت الى تاريخه لن تجد اقسام للدين
المسلمون هم من طلبوا
فجنوا ما زرعوه
يعنى لو جالنا مسلم محترم ها نرد عليه باحترام
جه غوغاء واوباش من عينة ديدات ، دول مالهمش غير الرزع على قفاهم ، وكله من كتبهم



and you think you are exposing Islam this way?

ايوة
يكفى ان تعرف مثلا مثلا انى تلقيت ما لايقل عن عشرة رسائل من مسلمين قرروا الارتداد عن دينهم بعد الاضطلاع على موقعى على مدى سنتين مضوا


tell me, if you logged in any forum and found ppl insulting Christianity, would you believe or care about anything they say?

لازم تقول لنا ما هى الشتائم التى نوجهها للإسلام
يعنى لما اتكلم عن جنة محمد وأسميها ماخور دعارة ، هذه ليست اهانة
بل اهانة لماخور الدعارة لأنه لم يرق الى مثل هذه السفالة وقلة الأدب

[Joey]

لازم تقول لنا ما هى الشتائم التى نوجهها للإسلام
يعنى لما اتكلم عن جنة محمد وأسميها ماخور دعارة ، هذه ليست اهانة
بل اهانة لماخور الدعارة لأنه لم يرق الى مثل هذه السفالة وقلة الأدب


That's exactly what I'm talking about ... thank you

nevermind guys, it was just a try coz I'm sad from what i'm reading here
you can close the topic ... thx

[yaweeka]

That's exactly what I'm talking about ... thank you

nevermind guys, it was just a try coz I'm sad from what i'm reading here
you can close the topic ... thx

هى الحقيقة فى الزمن ده بقت مسبة؟
عجيب حقا تفكير بعض الأقباط
شعب ها يفضل طول عمره ياخد فوق دماغة طالما بيفكر بطريقة المسكنة والتنازل عن حقوقهم

اتعلموا من بقية مسيحيى العالم وتخلوا عن التلذذ بالألم وبالضرب فوق دماغكم ، وطالبوا بحقوقكم عندها يمكن ان ينظر العالم الى قضاياكم

[2ana 7or]

That's exactly what I'm talking about ... thank you

nevermind guys, it was just a try coz I'm sad from what i'm reading here
you can close the topic ... thx

كده يا ويكا هربت الزبون منى ... أنا كنت حاخده براحة واحدة واحدة ... أعمل فيك ايه (sml8)

[yaweeka]

كده يا ويكا هربت الزبون منى ... أنا كنت حاخده براحة واحدة واحدة ... أعمل فيك ايه (sml8)

يا عم انا حر
انا لا كنت عايز اطفشه ولا حاجة
هو اللى حاطط فى دماغه ان يا اما نسمع كلامه يا نبقى غلط

[2ana 7or]

Hi everyone

why not just understand the word "Diversity"?
that every1 around you can simply be different and it's not our business, you are different to them too

Peace,
Joseph




نعم كما قلت نحن أيضا مختلفين ...
أحنا مجموعة أقباط أحرار لا نقبل الظلم ...
و لنا الحق فى المطالبة بحقوق شعبنا المظلوم ...
لأننا بالفعل نحب شعبنا و أهلنا و أخواتنا ... نكره أن نراهم مذلولين بدون كرامة...
هذا المنتدى هو المكان الوحيد فى العالم الذى نستطيع به أن نقول فيه رأينا ... مستكترين علينا منتدى واحد فقط فى وسط ألاف المنتدايات ذات الأتجهات المختلفة !!!
تحيا أجلال و تقدير الى أصحاب هذا المنتدى و القائمين عليه ... الذى أتاح لنا هذه الفرصة لنعبر فيها عن غضبنا ...
و لن نهداء حتى نحصل على كامل حقوق هذا الشعب العظيم ... لنعيد أمجاد أجدادنا الفراعنة...
أو على الأقل نعيش بكرامة فى أرض أجدادنا ...

[Mrs 2ana 7or]

dear Joey
Let me ask u this plz... have u ever try 2 ask ur Muslims friends those questions?
Have u ever try to tell them plz tell other Moslems to stop all this kinda of insulting 2 us in all media (radios, TV, newspapers)
I guess u never tried ... so just make it 4 once and tell me what they will say 2 u
Joey dear b4 u come and say all this 2 us try to tell them stop hate us for being Christians it’s not a good reason 4 civilized ppl ... I think
I know and all knows that we should not swear at them but. …dear Joey we are humans we sure try 2 follow the Christ road but we fall sometimes and we have good reasons believe me so just try 2 give us an excuse some times and stop put all the blame on our shoulders dear coz after all we the ppl who suffering from Islam and Moslems
Joey ... 4 me I never hate anyone but I have all right 2 respect and not respect anyone according 2 their mind and way in thinking and dealing with me
However, I DO HATE ISLAM and i hate all the silly think they. they learn from it and do it on us
Try being fair Joey 4 while we already have enough from Moslems
At the need forgive me my bad English I tried 2 be clear as much as i can

[Joey]

I had decided not to reply to the topic again, since I already requested forum Staff to close't but I felt I should reply to you "Mrs 2ana 7or"
Thx so much for ur polite respectable reply, I really appreciate that
believe me not all muslims are the same, I chose my friends
I got very good muslim friends, and we never care about our religions when we deal with each other
I already said before, we spoke about what happened in Alex and they really hated what Muslims did there
Like I said before not all ppl are the same, we all agree on that, don't we?
that's my point, I wanted us to be better, not to use the same way that other ppl use
some1 asked if it's too much to ask for our rights, and why christians keep enjoying getting mis-treated
to ask for your demands, you don't have to insult ppl, right?
thx again Mrs, after all I'm christian like all of you and just was pointing something from my point of view
btw your English is good enough, mine is not perfect too ... it's my 3rd language after arabic and french anyway :)

for 2ana 7or:harabt el zeiboun meiny? 7akhdoh bera7a wa7da wa7da?
where are we? strange way really

[hanysamir]

االاخ جوي

مرحبا بك فى المنتدى

تقول ان اصدقائك المسلمين تضايقوا مما حدث فى الاسكندرية و انهم لا يتحدثون معك فى الامور الدينية و وصفتهم بالصالحين فى كلامك و هذا شئ جميل جدا لكن دعنى اسألك:-

هل اصدقائك متدنيين ام لا لأنهم لو كانوا متدنيين لكان أول شئ فعلوه هو تجنبك لأن المتدين يعرف انه لا يجب ان يبدأ اليهود و ال***** بالسلام و لا يهنئهم فى اعيادهم لأنه هذا كفر الخ من هذه الأمور العنصرية البغيضة التى يعرفها المسلمون من شيوخهم المرضى.

المسلم الحقيقى يؤيد و يبارك ما حدث من اعتداءات همجية على المسيحيين لانها من وجهه نظره المريضة اعتداء على حرمة الرسول و الاسلام و الكتب المقدسة التى حرقت و رميها على الارض لا يهمه ما حدث لها لانه فى قرارة نفسه يقول انها محرفة و تحض على الكفر.

لكن لأن اصدقائك درسوا فى مدارس رهبان (كما فهمت من كلامك انك تجيد الفرنسية قبل الانجليزية) فأنهم لا يعتبروا من وجهة نظر الاسلام مسلمين حقيقيين!!

فما رأيك فى هذا الكلام ؟؟؟

تحياتى.

[hanysamir]

up for joey>>>

[Mena0064]

عزيزى جو، على فكرة أنا بكتب عربى بإستخدام الصفحة الآتية:
http://www.zeitun-eg.org/keyb.htm

بالنسبة لسؤالك الوجية، إسمحلى أضيف رأيى. عجبتنى نظرتك العملية لقضية الأقباط علشان كدة هحاول أرد عليك بنفس الطريقة.
شوف يا جو لكل فعل رد فعل مساوى فى القوة و مضاد فى الإتجاة، دى حاجة بتنطبق مش فى الفزياء و بس لكن حتى فى العلوم الإجتماعية. من ساعة ما دخل العرب مصر و هم بيضغطوا على المصريين إنهم يغيروا دينهم للإسلام سواء بالجزية أو بغيرة من أساليب التعسف و كان رد فعل الأقباط هو الإنغلاق على نفسهم للمحافظة على ما يمكن من قبطيتهم و الخضوع لمطالب المسلمين فما النتيجة؟ إن مصر أصبحت 90% منها مسلمين!
فى برضة حقائق تانية لازم تعرفها. الجزية فضلت مفروضة على الأقباط لحد أيام محمد على أى إن إلغائها شئ حديث نسبيا. إن حتى أثناء حكم الملوك كان فية إضطهاد للأقباط بالذات اللى حالهم المالى متواضع. اللى حصل فى محرم بية مش حادث منفرد لكن حلقة فى سلسلة فيها الكشح و الزاوية الحمرا إلخ. أنا عايزك تاخد خطوة للوراء و تبص على الصورة من بعيد و تقوللى بصراحة هل فلحت سياسة الأقباط لحد الآن و لو فضلنا على ما نحن علية، إية مصير القبط فى حضن دولة ينخفض فيها مستوى المعيشة و يتفشى الفساد و الراديكالية الإسلامية بإستمرار؟

[Joey]

Hi Hany,
ansewring your question, if they are true muslims or not ... well they fast ramadan, pray almost 5 times per day and og course they believe in their prophet

Does that make them bad? please don't say yes, first of all they didn't choose their religion, not all ppl are born christians and let's face't, not every1 human being is going to know about Jesus and believe in him ... maybe they are blind, but still not bad ppl
I know what you mean, the Islam point of view of christianity, but if you mention this ideas to them (my friends) ... they think it's extreem ideas and only terrorists who would think so
Plz Hany, check the start of my topic ... I didn't deny anything they do, I blamed them .. but I'm just trying to state my point of view, that we should never insult because of religion.
maybe I'm different person, I don't mind having a friend who doesn't even believe in God ... coz some1's religion is not my business ... maybe I was raised this way



Mena, I understand Islamic history believe me
but would you like to be judged by your history, it's not even your history, it's ur grand parents history
guys, we live in open world now ... whether you like't or not, you gonna live with different ppl, religions, color, nationalty wise
don't judge some1 by his religion
no 1 answered when I asked if you have muslim friends, I assume you don't but why? never met bad christians?
I just don't think insulting other suits christianity, I'm not used to that
ask for your demands, discuss other religions but with respect even if they don't... I hope I cleared my point

I'm sorry again about writing in English, I hope it doesn't bother you much. I just tried use your program, it's very nice but i'm still not used to it ... I promise I try later

Peace

[knowjesus_knowlove]

,

don't judge some1 by his religion

Peace

yes brother Joey,
you are right ..
and also Never Judge a Religion by it's People, Judge a Religion by it's ******ure

and if your friends don't believe in this ******ure as it is,
So, I ask you to tell them to go and read it then decide if they will keep their faith as muslims or not

http://www.geocities.com/a_true_picture_of_islam/

[amoni]

Dear brother
This is gona be a very long reply from me
1. when u say diversity
let us take example of the U.S.A so u could see what kind of diversity you are talking about, you see all kinds of ppl but in the same time you do not see any discrimination. may be a little but u almost can not see it
and when i visited that website i was angery too, and almost could not believe that is stuff is really happening in Egypt
till one day i was sitting down with couple of muslims under a tree trying to get some group running and came an American guy and a girl told him you do not have any money this week to go party? he said no my aid money is gone and do not have any for fun. she said why do not u take some money and u do not have to pay it but i want to show you the mosqui here
he said but i do not have to do anything right? she said no you just come and sit down there and el sheikh will take care of you

two weeks passed and guy came with kor2an in his hands
then i woke up, and i said to myself hellllllllo do not u remember ur highschool days in egypt
do not u remember when u used to walk in the street and say bad things
do not u remember guys who thought u r only a sex object because u r a chrstian copt
so that is all came to me once and believed it more when i went to Egypt myself and saw all kind of discrimination myself

i even got accused that i work with Israel lol and came to egypt to convert muslims, because i said 72o2 el 2bat in the train to the girl sitting next to me

2. your friends are good because they pray 5 times a day and fast ramadan why they fast?and pray all this? to reach god

ready for some fun truth
in christianity you do not reach for god, god is always reaching down for you

salvation in ur hands

we are trying here to get our rights back to our brothers, may be we escaped the discrimination but we feel for our rights in our home which is egypt and all the middle east world
do not u think copts in sudi should have church?
3. when brother yaweeka and Mrs ana 7or they are trying to answer you and they r fighting to get to you the full truth

God bless you

[Mena0064]

Mena, I understand Islamic history believe me
but would you like to be judged by your history, it's not even your history, it's ur grand parents history
guys, we live in open world now ... whether you like't or not, you gonna live with different ppl, religions, color, nationalty wise
don't judge some1 by his religion
no 1 answered when I asked if you have muslim friends, I assume you don't but why? never met bad christians?
I just don't think insulting other suits christianity, I'm not used to that
ask for your demands, discuss other religions but with respect even if they don't... I hope I cleared my point
Peace

Joey, I do have muslim friends and I treat them like I treat others. We are not here to "attck" muslims, we are here to defend the rights of the Copts.
I am afraid the picture seems reversed here, I get the feeling that you think we are acting against Islam when infact we are REacting against injustice.
I am very happy to hear that your muslim friends are good people, fantastic! but you can't tell me that the muslim brotherhood is a bunch of good people! There are good muslims and bad muslims just like good Christians and bad Christians but what do the bad christians do? do they want to hurt muslims? do they want to convert them to Christianity? No they don't so why is it that the "bad" muslims want to do these things to Christians?

I agree that insulting Islam is not the best way forward but we also know that keeping silent doesn't work, if you know the Coptic history I am sure you don't need me to tell you that. So even though I share your opinion I can't be too much of a critic when I don't have an alternative idea myself.

The question I have for you is: Do you think the Copts live in Egypt as equal citizens and have absoluely equal rights? and if not, how do you propose we fix that?