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Re: A myth: Islam is a Religion of Peace

Hi Union


إقتباس:
first about El hadith you just read what you wanna read and nothing else didn't see chapter 8 just above chapter 9 where you got this hadith

Chapter 8: PROHIBITION OF KILLING WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN WAR
Book 019, Number 4319:

It is narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah that a woman was found killed in one of the battles fought by the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He disapproved of the killing of women and children.
Book 019, Number 4320:

It is narrated by Ibn 'Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) forbade the killing of women and children.

where mohamed may peace be upon him disapproved of the killing of women and children
This does not refute the other hadiths that permit killing women and children
it is either inconsistency in your ******ure or it all comes down to the mood of Mohammad, and what are the sequence of events in his life.
Was killing permitted then canceled for the sake of acquiring more slaves?

Or was killing forbidden then permitted to terrorize the infidel ?

At the conceptual level, there is/was an allowance to kill women and children. So, you cannot deny completely the fact by saying

إقتباس:
our religion didn't support killing women childrens
Whether this (killing women and children) is a final position in Muslim theology or an abrogated statement, no body has a clue . Still, this does not cancel the fact of the legality of killing women and children at some point or for some reasons.

إقتباس:
and if only you tried to do a little more search about the explanation of this hadith

سئل النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم عن الذراري من المشركين ؟ يبيتون فيصيبون من نسائهم وذراريهم . فقال ( هم منهم ) .

You will find that they were asking about women and children who were killed in night raids by wrong

Accidental killing was never stated by the hadith at all. They were killing by the swords not bombs. How would they kill women and children by mistake?

إقتباس:
and about" They are from "them it means they are infidels and there is no sin of murder on the one who did this
Exactly my point

إقتباس:
If it was not intended and If the person who did this intentionally
One more time, this was never stated by the text all, and does not make sense


إقتباس:
now about El sura
first it is like this
"We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners , for which no warrant hath been revealed . Their habitation is the Fire , and hapless the abode of the wrong doers ."

The word terror here means fear

so the explanation of El sura means that god throw fear in the hearts of the Infidels
That is exactly my point. Thank u for using the dictionary to tell me one meaning of terror
Muslims are following the example of there god, Allah
That is why they were co-applying this terror as mentioned in the Quran by their own hands

Sura 8: 12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Of course this terror was also supported by Mohammad himself

Bukhari : Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshiped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshiped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)"

Bukhari : Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

And that is the exact meaning of religious terror that is exclusive to Islamic theology

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