الموضوع: History of Jihad
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قديم 08-04-2008
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Dear "no way"
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you said

Christians often refer to Islam as a terrorist religion,
Indeed it is

One simple Question: Did the disbelievers in the land of Palestine during the times of Moses start any war with the Hebrews who ORIGINALLY came from Egypt?? Absolutely Not!
Absolutely it was their land
they originally lived in the land of Palestine before going to Egypt (read Genesis 46)
They came down to Egypt because of the famine

Also, according to the Talmud's historical elaborations on Numbers 31:17-18 above, Moses gave direct orders for his men to have SEXUAL INTERCOURSE with every VIRGIN GIRLS who was AT LEAST 3 YEARS OLD:

"....The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...."

"....According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]...."

"Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....."

"A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."....."
Absurd, what does this have to do with Islamic Jihad ?
Is there really written in the Talmud? .. how about the Mishnah ?
which book?
Is the Talmud a Christian book?
Is the Talmud an inspired book?
How does it relate to Christianity, is it part of the Old Testament that or the Tanakh that we believe in?

Noble Verse 24:33 "… . But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),"
Here I have a question, why Allah would be forgiving to whoever compels his slave girls to prostitution?
Of course the text does not say: (to them)


"Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. (The Noble Quran, 16:125)"

But when Muslims do commit killing, such as what happened on 9/11, then Hell breaks loose and everyone becomes peaceful and a preacher, and Islam is the only evil thing out there.
So you are blaming the victims for crying out and telling the truth.?

Were the attackers in 9/11 misguided or true Muslims?

Jihad means struggling in the name of Allah Almighty. Jihad doesn't always mean a war or battle.
This does not cancel the truth about the physical part of the Jihad. Does it?

Any mean for spreading Islam and the Truth, or to fight for what is right and condemn what is wrong (such as fighting the bad and helping the oppressed.
You nailed it, jihad is to spread Islam. Thank u mate
What if the Islam was itself the oppressor, that forced an evil religion on peaceful people ?

Noble Quran about being peaceful to ordinary and peaceful non-Muslims, and being very hostile to the hostile enemy:
Why then they invaded my country (Egypt) in the 7th century AD?
Were the Egyptians hostile ?

Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)
This was one of the middle stages of Jihad
So what are the stages of Jihad according to Muslim fiqh and Law

Let us see (this taken from Fiqh Al Jihad = Jihad Discipline by Shialk Yaser Borhami)
يظهر من هذا التلخيص لمراحل تشريع الجهاد أنه مر بمراحل :-
أولها: مرحلة الكف والإعراض والصفح حيث كان القتال محرماً قال تعالى : أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى الَّذِينَ قِيلَ لَهُمْ كُفُّواْ أَيْدِيَكُمْ وَأَقِيمُواْ الصَّلاَةَ وَآتُواْ الزَّكَاةَ فَلَمَّا كُتِبَ عَلَيْهِمُ الْقِتَالُ إِذَا فَرِيقٌ مِّنْهُمْ يَخْشَوْنَ النَّاسَ كَخَشْيَةِ اللّهِ أَوْ أَشَدَّ خَشْيَةً ]النساء:77[.
روى ابن جرير والنسائي في سننهِ عن ابن عباس  أن عبد الرحمن بن عوف وأصحاباً له أتوا النبي صلي الله عليه وسلم:" فقالوا: يا رسول الله كنا في عز ونحن مشركون فلما آمنا صرنا أذلة ، فقال إني أمرت بالعفو فلا تقاتلوا " .
فلما حوله الله إلى المدينة أمر بالقتال فكفوا فأنزل الله تعالى:  أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى الَّذِينَ قِيلَ لَهُمْ كُفُّواْ أَيْدِيَكُمْ  ]النساء:77 [.
وقال ابن القيم - رحمه الله - عن هذه المرحلة: والله سبحانه يأمرهم بالصبر والعفو والصفح حتى قويت الشوكة واشتد الجناح فأذن لهم بالقتال ولم يفرضه عليهم فقال : أُذِنَ لِلَّذِينَ يُقَاتَلُونَ بِأَنَّهُمْ ظُلِمُوا وَإِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَى نَصْرِهِمْ لَقَدِيرٌ  ]الحج:39[ .أهـ .
وهذه هي المرحلة الثانية: مرحلة الإذن بالقتال .
ثم المرحلة الثالثة: وهى الأمر بالقتال لمن قاتلهم دون من يقاتل: وذلك بقوله تعالى:وَقَاتِلُواْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ الَّذِينَ يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ  ]البقرة:190[ .
ثم المرحلة الرابعة: فرض عليهم قتال المشركين كافة ، بقوله تعالى:  وَقَاتِلُواْ الْمُشْرِكِينَ كَآفَّةً  ]التوبة:36[ ، وقوله :  فَإِذَا انسَلَخَ الأَشْهُرُ الْحُرُمُ فَاقْتُلُواْ الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُواْ لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ فَإِن تَابُواْ وَأَقَامُواْ الصَّلاَةَ وَآتَوُاْ الزَّكَاةَ فَخَلُّواْ سَبِيلَهُمْ  ]التوبة:5[ ، وقوله:  قَاتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللّهِ وَلاَ بِالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَلاَ يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلاَ يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ حَتَّى يُعْطُواْ الْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ  ]التوبة:29[ ، وقوله تعالى: وَقَاتِلُوهُمْ حَتَّى لاَ تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ وَيَكُونَ الدِّينُ كُلُّهُ  ]الأنفال:39[.

وعن ابن عباس وأبى العالية ومجاهد والحسن وقتادة والربيع بن أنس والسدي ومقاتل بن حيان وزيد بن أسلم يعنى حتى لا يكون شرك .
وقال النبي صلي الله عليه وسلم:" أمرت أن أقاتل الناس حتى يقولوا لا إله إلا الله فإذا قالوها عصموا منى دماءهم وأموالهم وحسابهم على الله " [متفق عليه] . وهذه المرحلة الأخيرة هي التي استقر عليها الأمر في معاملة المسلمين للكفار من جميع الأجناس ، أهل الكتاب وغيرهم . وقال أكثر السلف بنسخ آيات الموادعة والصفح والعفو ، ولا يختلف العلماء من المذاهب الأربعة وغيرهم على أنه يلزم المسلمين عند القدرة ابتداء الكفار بالقتال ولو لم يقاتلوا المسلمين ، وهذا جهاد الطلب مع لوازم جهاد الدفع بالإجماع.
Jihad in the life of Muhammad was in four stages
The Meccan stage (in Mecca):
During this time and for 15 years Muhammad was so peaceful and wrote a peaceful Quran like

I (Muhammad) am but a plain warner. (67:2; passim)

We have not sent thee (Muhammad) as a warden over them. (17:54)
So proclaim that which thou art commanded, and withdraw from the idolaters. (15:94; cf. 15:94-99)
And bear with patience what they utter, and part from them with a fair leave taking. (73:10)
... And to be of those who believe and exhort one another to perseverance and exhort one another to pity! (90:17)
Call unto the way of the Lord... and reason with them in a better way.... Grieve not for them and be not in distress because of that which they devise. (16:125-127)
Repel evil with that which is better. (23:96)

All of the above passages are Meccan passages, i.e., passages Muhammad received while he proclaimed Islam in Mecca. As long as he remained in Mecca, he responded to his enemies peacefully and with restraint

The second stage was the early Medina time
In A.D. 622 Muhammad moved from his home in Mecca to Medina, where Arab tribes had invited him to reside and where they became members of the new Islamic movement. So important is this event in Islamic history – it is called the hijrah (emigration)
During this early mid stage, Muslims were permitted to fight if they want to (with no obligation)
Quran (22: 39): Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them.

Then the third stage, when Muslims were ordered (as an obligation) to fight back the infidels if they fought them the defensive Jihad
Quran (2: 190): And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.

Then the final product of Muhammad came with the 4th stage (late in Medina time), which is the offensive Jihad. Muslims were ordered to fight all non-believers

Quran 9: 36 and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

Quran 9: 5 So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate (basically become Muslims), leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Quran 9: 29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Quran 8: 39 And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

Quran 9:123 O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

Quran 47: 4 So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.

The Muhammad also said it frankly

البخاري - 1399- حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الْيَمَانِ الْحَكَمُ بْنُ نَافِعٍ أَخْبَرَنَا شُعَيْبُ بْنُ أَبِى حَمْزَةَ عَنِ الزُّهْرِىِّ حَدَّثَنَا عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُتْبَةَ بْنِ مَسْعُودٍ أَنَّ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ - رضى الله عنه - قَالَ لَمَّا تُوُفِّىَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ - صلى الله عليه وسلم - وَكَانَ أَبُو بَكْرٍ - رضى الله عنه - وَكَفَرَ مَنْ كَفَرَ مِنَ الْعَرَبِ فَقَالَ عُمَرُ - رضى الله عنه كَيْفَ تُقَاتِلُ النَّاسَ ، وَقَدْ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ - صلى الله عليه وسلم - « أُمِرْتُ أَنْ أُقَاتِلَ النَّاسَ حَتَّى يَقُولُوا لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ . فَمَنْ قَالَهَا فَقَدْ عَصَمَ مِنِّى مَالَهُ وَنَفْسَهُ إِلاَّ بِحَقِّهِ ، وَحِسَابُهُ عَلَى اللَّهِ » . أطرافه 1457 ، 6924 ، 7284 - تحفة 10666 ، 14118
"I was ordered to fight people until they say La ilaha illa Allah (no God but Allah) , and if they say it, then they protect their blood and their property from me except for its dues, and Allah, The Almighty, The Supreme, will judge them."

Also the well known Egyptian scholar, Sayyid Qutb, notes the four stages in the development (Sayyid Qutb, Milestones, Revised Edition, especially ch. 4, “Jihaad in the Cause of God”)

That settles the Jihad Issue
The final (4th) version of Jihad is the legitimate one, other stages were abrogated
All peaceful Quranic (Meccan) verses are cancelled by the newer ones

This a quick example of how abrogation works
Quran 9: 29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Muslim scholars says:

هذه الآيةُ ناسخةٌ للعفْوِ عن المشركين مِن أهل الكتاب وغيرهم
This verse abrogated all forgiving verses concerning Christian and Jews
This Muslim website had a good enlightenment on the subject

I have a question about offensive Jihad. Does it mean that we are to attack even those non-Muslims which don't do anything against Islam just because we have to propagate Islam?


if a country doesn't allow the propagation of Islam to its inhabitants in a suitable manner or creates hindrances to this, then the Muslim ruler would be justifying in waging Jihad against this country, so that the message of Islam can reach its inhabitants, thus saving them from the Fire of Jahannum. If the Kuffaar allow us to spread Islam peacefully, then we would not wage Jihad against them.

No further comments needed

fighting the global war against all humans is part of the Islamic theology

God bless u to see the truth ++
اَلَّذِي لَمْ يُشْفِقْ عَلَى ابْنِهِ بَلْ بَذَلَهُ لأَجْلِنَا أَجْمَعِينَ كَيْفَ لاَ يَهَبُنَا أَيْضاً مَعَهُ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ؟ (رومية 8: 32)

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