?What's the point

[Joey]

Hi everyone

I'm sorry for writting in english but I can't type in Arabic
I registered a while ago and since that time I keep checking the website regulary and I can't deny that I like't and I always keep checking for new "news" that I can't find in other places
I never thought of posting any topics before or even reply to any topic .. I'm just not that talkative
But lately I've been noticing something and I can't help not to post about't

It's the attitude of members here, Christian and Muslims .. and Christians can be worse sometimes which amaze me
This site represents christians to many people ... you have got a lot of power in here but you are not reponsible enough
and responsibility should equal power which is the problem here
I know some members register here and start posting just to create debates and fights ... but the way ppl reply to them is just WRONG!
they reply back the same way and maybe worse while this members can just be ignored and moderators can deal with them proffisionally by issuing warns or banning
and some christians should be banned too for the way they reply and talk
you should keep the forum "clean"
also the provoking titles that some members start just for the sake of insulting Islam and everything related to it
what's the point?
does proving Islam wrong will make Christianity look better?
you can do a lot better than insulting Islam and debating over nothing
Show a good picture of Christians, you are not helping
what all this insults to Muslims? don't you have muslim friends?
if yes, don't you think they would stop talking to you if they saw what you say here
and if no, then you should really get ones because there's many good muslims out there like there's many bad christians out there
and why we always keep bringing up religion in everything, and by "we" i mean arabs, muslims and christians
it's something between you and God
every1 is free to believe in what ever he wants
just stop arguing over nothing
why not just understand the word "Diversity"?
that every1 around you can simply be different and it's not our business, you are different to them too
I hope you stop opening topics about Islam and write about Christianity
Rude members should be warned or banned
Religious ppl should set a good example in general, muslims or christians ... not fight all the time like they always do
If we put Atheists and Satanists in 1 place, they r not gonna argue like you do and they gonna respect each other much more
I hope I didn't offend anyone by my post, and if I did .. I'm sorry

Peace,
Joseph

PS:I'm Christian and I understand arabic very well

[hanna3]

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في الغالب نعم في هذة الحالة اضغطط للبرنامج علي عربي AR
ثم اضغط علي حروف الكتابة ستجد الخط عربي وعلي كل حرف انجليزي قمت بالضغط علية سيكتب حروف عربية فمثلا ستجدعا هكذا

Q W E R T Y U I O P
ح خ ه ع غ ف ق ث ص ض

وكما تري تحت كل حرف انجليزي حرف اخر عربي وبالتمرين تدريجي ستكتب عرب جيد
فقط ارجو ان تراجع كتابتك كل مرة الي ان تعتاد علي الكتابة والرب يباركك سلام المسيح

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[Joey]

hmmm ... I don't get what you mean
are you asking me to re-write the topic in Arabic?!
because no way i'm going to do so
I know how to turn on the arabic language but I don't have arabic keybaord and it would take me forever anyway to write in Arabic
I'm sure there's ppl around who understand English very well so no point of asking me write in Arabic since I already mentioned in my first lines that I can't

pretty clear I guess... ;)

[CrocodileTearz]

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة Joey

[LEFT]

does proving Islam wrong will make Christianity look better?

لا, لكنه توجيه لمن يريد ان ان رسالة هذه الديانية غير سوية, حتى منظور الفلسفى لبروحانى.

by "we" i mean arabs, muslims and christians

نحن لسنا عرب, و اعتقد ان العرب المسيحين هم من تنصر من العرب. لان معظم شعوب الشرق الاوسط اقدم و اعرق من العرب.


و لاجيب على مداخلتك,

واضح انك لا تعيش فى بلد عربى و لم تزور بلد عربى قبل كده

[Joey]

I live in Egypt since my birth and never left

[yaweeka]

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة Joey

I live in Egypt since my birth and never left

ok let me lay it down simple so that you wuld know
wherewe are coming from

we believe that our problems in Egypt stem from Islam
therefore we are exposing Islam so that Muslims might start thinking that Islam is not perfect but has its fallacies
only then would they respect our calls to keep Islam out of political life

and please don't think that we are Arabs, it's like stabbing our Coptic ancestors in the back
they fought hard in order for us to remain COPTS

[2ana 7or]

أخونا فى الأيمان جو ........

ماذا تقول لقيادات الجماعات الاسلامية التى تطلب أعتذار من قداسة البابا شنودة الثالث عن تلك المسرحية و انت طبعا عارف ان المسرحية لم ترقى الى مستوى التجريح فى المسلمين لنها تم عرضها داخل الكنيسة ليوم واحد فقط و انت تعلم تمما ان الكنيسة لا تسمح بأى تجاوزات و ساتكون فى مستوى ما يقدم على شاشات التليفزيون و السينما فى محاربة الجماعات السلامية المتطرفة؟

ماذا تقول من أهدر دماء قداسة البابا و انت تعرف تماما ان الشعب القبطى مظلوم مما أدى الى بكاء قداسته فى الأجتماع الأخير؟

ماذا ترد على مصطفى بكرى و الصحافة الصفراء التى لا يمر أصدار الا و بها مقال يهاجم الشعب القبطى و رموزه؟

ماذا تقول للشاب الذى طعن الراهبة و المحامى الذى حاول مساعدتها؟

ماذا تقول للبشرالذين هاجموا الكنايس و حرقوها ؟ ماذا تقول للذين داسوا على الأناجيل باقدامهم و أحرقوها ؟

و سئلة أخرى كثيرة و عديدة أرجوا أن تجاوب عليها ... و يا ريت تسئلة أصدقائك المسلمين ... و صلتنى هذه السئلة من بعض الأقباط الغاضبين و اللذين يطالبون بحقوقهم فى مصرنا الحبيبة ... كيف ارد عليهم لأنى مش موافق على غضبهم؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

[Joey]

Forget about "arabs" part, I meant middle east culture
I take't back

But from what you are saying i feel this's a political forum? I thought it's about copts and christianity?
and you think you are exposing Islam this way? tell me, if you logged in any forum and found ppl insulting Christianity, would you believe or care about anything they say?
what respect you are talking about? the road you are walking will never get you respect from anyone ... I, myself as a Christian, I'm tired of all this insults to Muslims ... that's not we are, and that was never our way

No 1 will accept your demands if you keep that way, believe me
you think this's Jesus teachings? think again

[Joey]

Sorry "2ana 7or"
I didn't see your reply
I'm not defending what they do, but you think insulting Muslims is the solution? that's gonna help?
and I talk with my muslim friends, and they think it's silly and stupid what happened ... and crossed all limits
don't insult ppl for their religion, color, country or whatever .... this's kind of racism
if they r bad, we r good.. we should set an example
eye for an eye ends up making the whole world blind

[yaweeka]

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة Joey

[LEFT]Forget about "arabs" part, I meant middle east culture
I take't back

But from what you are saying i feel this's a political forum? I thought it's about copts and christianity

وهو القبطى يعنى ما ينفعش يتكلم فى السياسة؟
ايوة ده منتدى سياسي اكثر منه دينى
لو رجعت الى تاريخه لن تجد اقسام للدين
المسلمون هم من طلبوا
فجنوا ما زرعوه
يعنى لو جالنا مسلم محترم ها نرد عليه باحترام
جه غوغاء واوباش من عينة ديدات ، دول مالهمش غير الرزع على قفاهم ، وكله من كتبهم

and you think you are exposing Islam this way?

ايوة
يكفى ان تعرف مثلا مثلا انى تلقيت ما لايقل عن عشرة رسائل من مسلمين قرروا الارتداد عن دينهم بعد الاضطلاع على موقعى على مدى سنتين مضوا

tell me, if you logged in any forum and found ppl insulting Christianity, would you believe or care about anything they say?

لازم تقول لنا ما هى الشتائم التى نوجهها للإسلام
يعنى لما اتكلم عن جنة محمد وأسميها ماخور دعارة ، هذه ليست اهانة
بل اهانة لماخور الدعارة لأنه لم يرق الى مثل هذه السفالة وقلة الأدب

[2ana 7or]

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة Joey

Hi everyone

why not just understand the word "Diversity"?
that every1 around you can simply be different and it's not our business, you are different to them too

Peace,
Joseph

نعم كما قلت نحن أيضا مختلفين ...
أحنا مجموعة أقباط أحرار لا نقبل الظلم ...
و لنا الحق فى المطالبة بحقوق شعبنا المظلوم ...
لأننا بالفعل نحب شعبنا و أهلنا و أخواتنا ... نكره أن نراهم مذلولين بدون كرامة...
هذا المنتدى هو المكان الوحيد فى العالم الذى نستطيع به أن نقول فيه رأينا ... مستكترين علينا منتدى واحد فقط فى وسط ألاف المنتدايات ذات الأتجهات المختلفة !!!
تحيا أجلال و تقدير الى أصحاب هذا المنتدى و القائمين عليه ... الذى أتاح لنا هذه الفرصة لنعبر فيها عن غضبنا ...
و لن نهداء حتى نحصل على كامل حقوق هذا الشعب العظيم ... لنعيد أمجاد أجدادنا الفراعنة...
أو على الأقل نعيش بكرامة فى أرض أجدادنا ...

[Mrs 2ana 7or]

dear Joey
Let me ask u this plz... have u ever try 2 ask ur Muslims friends those questions?
Have u ever try to tell them plz tell other Moslems to stop all this kinda of insulting 2 us in all media (radios, TV, newspapers)
I guess u never tried ... so just make it 4 once and tell me what they will say 2 u
Joey dear b4 u come and say all this 2 us try to tell them stop hate us for being Christians it’s not a good reason 4 civilized ppl ... I think
I know and all knows that we should not swear at them but. …dear Joey we are humans we sure try 2 follow the Christ road but we fall sometimes and we have good reasons believe me so just try 2 give us an excuse some times and stop put all the blame on our shoulders dear coz after all we the ppl who suffering from Islam and Moslems
Joey ... 4 me I never hate anyone but I have all right 2 respect and not respect anyone according 2 their mind and way in thinking and dealing with me
However, I DO HATE ISLAM and i hate all the silly think they. they learn from it and do it on us
Try being fair Joey 4 while we already have enough from Moslems
At the need forgive me my bad English I tried 2 be clear as much as i can

[Joey]

I had decided not to reply to the topic again, since I already requested forum Staff to close't but I felt I should reply to you "Mrs 2ana 7or"
Thx so much for ur polite respectable reply, I really appreciate that
believe me not all muslims are the same, I chose my friends
I got very good muslim friends, and we never care about our religions when we deal with each other
I already said before, we spoke about what happened in Alex and they really hated what Muslims did there
Like I said before not all ppl are the same, we all agree on that, don't we?
that's my point, I wanted us to be better, not to use the same way that other ppl use
some1 asked if it's too much to ask for our rights, and why christians keep enjoying getting mis-treated
to ask for your demands, you don't have to insult ppl, right?
thx again Mrs, after all I'm christian like all of you and just was pointing something from my point of view
btw your English is good enough, mine is not perfect too ... it's my 3rd language after arabic and french anyway :)

for 2ana 7or:harabt el zeiboun meiny? 7akhdoh bera7a wa7da wa7da?
where are we? strange way really

االاخ جوي

مرحبا بك فى المنتدى

تقول ان اصدقائك المسلمين تضايقوا مما حدث فى الاسكندرية و انهم لا يتحدثون معك فى الامور الدينية و وصفتهم بالصالحين فى كلامك و هذا شئ جميل جدا لكن دعنى اسألك:-

هل اصدقائك متدنيين ام لا لأنهم لو كانوا متدنيين لكان أول شئ فعلوه هو تجنبك لأن المتدين يعرف انه لا يجب ان يبدأ اليهود و ال***** بالسلام و لا يهنئهم فى اعيادهم لأنه هذا كفر الخ من هذه الأمور العنصرية البغيضة التى يعرفها المسلمون من شيوخهم المرضى.

المسلم الحقيقى يؤيد و يبارك ما حدث من اعتداءات همجية على المسيحيين لانها من وجهه نظره المريضة اعتداء على حرمة الرسول و الاسلام و الكتب المقدسة التى حرقت و رميها على الارض لا يهمه ما حدث لها لانه فى قرارة نفسه يقول انها محرفة و تحض على الكفر.

لكن لأن اصدقائك درسوا فى مدارس رهبان (كما فهمت من كلامك انك تجيد الفرنسية قبل الانجليزية) فأنهم لا يعتبروا من وجهة نظر الاسلام مسلمين حقيقيين!!

فما رأيك فى هذا الكلام ؟؟؟

تحياتى.

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