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16-01-2006
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[QUOTE=hanna3]
 [COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="6"] هل يمكن ان نفصل عمل المنظمات القبطية الواعدة عن تدخل الكنيسة ونتقد م للامام لاول مرة في تاريخنا انا اعتبر ان اي تبرع لاي منظمة قبطية افضل من الكنيسة الف مرة لاني انقذ حياة اخ من ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My dear brothers Hanna 3, fayoumy, Mena0064, iwcab & الخواجه I am very pleased to read and follow up your valuable views and opinions. I can see we have a very mature group of people how can read the present and analyses the facts to see the future. We all can see too many changes are taking part in Egypt. Time is up for different approach in our straggle. I hope we all agree on the following: 1) We need to come closer to God and closer to each other, we need to pray harder. Yes we need this but we also need to be actively involve in claiming our rights. I look to what St. Paul did when he asked to raise his complain to Seizer in Rome, we need to do the same in the United Nations.2) We have to be unite in our approach outside and offcourse inside Egypt. We could have too many different views about how to get their, but we must have a common Goal. 3) We all supports the list of demands we had in the last COPTIC conference in USA, Even the Church leaders have the same demands. This should be the basics for COPTS human rights.4) We need to view the COPTIC case as a human right approach. Under the United Nations charter which Egypt is a signatory to. We are asking for freedom of religions. We need to raise this in every international event we can. نفصل عمل المنظمات القبطية الواعدة عن تدخل الكنيسة ونتقد م للامام لاول مرة في تاريخنا  Our Bishops and Priestess are chosen for their spiritual life and inside the Church not for their Politics views outside the church. They are not equip for such work. Welcome your views, keep up th good work. Sheref 
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#2
16-01-2006
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الاخ شريف - اهلا بيك و بمداخلتك الموضوعيه و شكرا لتعضيدك و متابعتك للنقاش و الحوار و التمتع بنفس الروح
المطلوبه من جميع الاقباط في المساهمه لوصول الي الحقوق المسلوبه و المشروعه في داخل بلدنا و اعتقد ان قطار الحقوق و العمل القبطي تحرك من مكانه و ان كان بطيئا و يتعثر احيانا و لكن لن يتوقف ان شاء الرب لان الدي يستحق الحقوق هو من يسعي اليها و يطالب بها لان الحقوق تنتزع و لا تهب و لا يضيع حق ورائه مطالب شكرا يا اخ شريف و ارجوا ان تساهم بشكل فعال معنا في المنتدي لان عدد مداخلاتك لا يتفق مع مدة اشتراكك في المنتدي فلا تبخل علينا وجودك و مساهمتك - و الرب يبارك حياتك و طبعا شكرا للاخ حنا لفتحه الموضوع الخواجه
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#3
16-01-2006
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إقتباس:
My Dear الخواجه
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17-01-2006
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[hanna3 + الخواجه Dear  Thank you very much both of you for your nice complements . Yes my dear brothers I've been quite for some time reading most of topics and subjects. I've been doing this every day for the last 12 months, I believe there are allot of people are doing the same. This site is the only window we have for new hope and better future for our kids. During this period I enjoyed reading your comments and offcourse the rest of the brilliant members. I found too many masters, so I set down to learn the art of human right fight. I will try to be more visible. Back to our topic, I strongly believe people outside Egypt are no longer supporting the church leaders we need to be more organised. In Egypt, ....there is a trend to change, what was working 30-50 years ago no longer is suitable now. somebody correct me if I'm wrong.... We will see more and more people ready to step out and try something deferent, for 2 reasons. First we are not going any where at all with Church leading the people. Second - People (indevidual) will try to ease the government pressure on the Church, we all love our Fathers and Bishops, some COPTS inside & offcourse outside Egypt want to take this pressure on themself to safe the Church any embarrassment or direct clash with the government. It is out of love more than enything. Either way or reason we will see more indiduals COPTS and organisations walking away for the church line We can see now some good individual COPTIC human right actives, they are trying their own fight but they are small minority and unorganised, they will need support from outside and form good & free Muslims inside Egypt if they are still exists...... I think it was very smart thing from the US COPTIC in the 2nd COPTIC conference to invite Muslims from Egypt who support our cause and have the same view of freedom of realign in Egypt. Sheref  ]
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17-01-2006
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إقتباس:
My Dear brother hanna3 You are on  my friend, God bless you, back to your questionماذا نفعل معا وما دور كل منا لمساعدة اهلنا داخل وخارج مصر ؟.... We all understand it is a long term straggle, we need to be ready for the long fight. We have waited 1400 years we can put another 2-5 years from good hard organized work. US COPTIS & Michael Moonier + the rest of the COPTIC organisations around the world are doing a very good work with little resources they have, God help them especially in USA. We also need to open another front in the United Nations As per my earlier comment in point (4 We need to view the COPTIC case as a human right case. Under the United Nations charter which Egypt is a signatory to it. We are asking for freedom of religions. We need to raise this in every international event we can. In Egypt, we need to support and help people like ممدوح نخلة , there are many lowers like him taking a positive and legal venue but they need help and support. Outside Egypt we need some legal advisories, a group of experts in the international Laws, so we communicate strongly and professionally with the United Nations. Do we have such a group or volunteers to take the lead in this area….Can anyone advise. We all agree to focuse on the Resolutions of the Second International Coptic Conference, it is our aim and targets. How to get these resolutions implemented this is everyone responsibility hard long road we already started the 1st mile. Sheref
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17-01-2006
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You are right Sheref
But this will happen if we all be one hand one opinion one team If we all work together as a Coptic We will do a lot God bless all to lead our Christianity to the top God Willing  .
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