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flower The Movie: The message (Al Resala).. a Lie believed by millions!

The Movie: The message (Al Resala).. a Lie believed by millions!


by Babylonian
Translated and edited by Ibrahim Al Copti

Peace and the blessing of Almighty Jehovah with everyone…

Introduction:

Does Islam condone lying ...?!
It was always true based on the Taquia (divine approval of lying) in all its forms

In Modern times, Muslims benefited from the evolution of scientific and technological techniques, specially when applied to the art of cinema, to promote falsehoods ..!

Despite the illegitimate use of photos and images in all its forms and types in Islam, they produced and directed a movie about the life of Mohammad called “The Message



The movie was translated into several languages worldwide, mainly to English.

Using the Movie, they brainwashed the minds of millions over the years...

Did the movie deliver deliver a true message about the life of Mohammad?

That what we will try to highlight, putting scenes from this movie in perspective of th legitimate Sunni Islamic books (Sunnis are almost 90% of all Mulsims)..

Our Goal is to expose the great falsehood and sum of lies portrayed in the Movie, and made specifically for the consumption by some Westerners that they might be fooled

The detection method would be to link a scene with what is actually written in the most respected Islamic books

The artistic side of the movie is not of our interest. Also we will not criticize the things that were not mentioned by Muslims about their Prophet, which contradict what is shown in the film. The main idea is to expose what has been displayed in the Movie

One last thing, this Movie was approved Al-Azhar (the biggest Sunni institute in the world) and the Shiite Supreme Council!

At the beginning of the movie it reads:
”this movie was broadcasted after approval by the responsible committee in Al-Azhar and The Supreme Islamic Shiite Council in Lebanon”

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1) the first scene: Is the Allah everywhere?
minute 27 in part 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW38P...eature=related

Abu Sufyan (one of the Arabic infidels) was mocking one of Mohammed followers Ammar bin Yasser saying:

Quote:

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"You say [as a Muslim] that Allah is everywhere, here in my house in Taif (a small city), in Yathrib (modern Medina), in Yemen, even over the moon!!! (laughter by people of Quraish the infidels) ..!"
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Uncover the truth:

The doctrine of omnipresence of Allah violates the doctrine of Sunni Salafis (the Majority of Sunnis). Sunni Salafis excommunicate (i.e. consider Kafir or unbeliever) whoever says that Allah is everywhere ...!!!

Allah is only found on his throne in the sky, not everywhere, they say.

Muslims, due to deficient theology and ignorance, are divided on the subject. They do not agree on the doctrine of omnipresence

Al-Asha’era (a small Sunni subdivision that is almost extinct) and Shiites say: that the Allah is everywhere!!!!

However, The Salafi Sunnis (a majority) say: that Allah does not exist everywhere, but is "above" his throne watching his creatures from afar by his omniscience. It is still a mystery how the limited essence of Allah is all knowing. Some Muslims to answer the puzzle use the human communication analogy: as humans communicate through broadcasts and satellite channels, Allah knows through similar means, they say.

Concerning this subject, each Muslim sect consider the others Kafirs (unbelievers)

Following is an Arabic text showing a fatwa by Ibn Uthaymeen

On how it is forbidden to say that Allah is everywhere:





Allah being spatially limited on the throne, is a proof of how small he is. So the universe is considered in that sense greater than Allah, and this contradicts the term "Allahu Akbar" = literally Allah is bigger...

the question remains: How the producers, reviewers and the director of the movie deceive the viewers tampering with the belief of the vast majority of Muslims ?

Will the Sunnis agree?

Or is it Tiquia that they may deceive millions relating their Allah to the Judeo-Christian Jehovah, who is omnipresent ...?!


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2) The second scene: Are people in Islam equal in status like the teeth of a comb ..?!
minute: 27 of Part I


A Muslim answers a question about whether slaves equal with Gentlemen,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW38P...eature=related
Quote:
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"Yes. The Messenger of God says: All men are equal like the teeth of a comb!"
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this is another lie
according to the Islamic studies of Hadith (to examine if any saying of Mohammed is really attributed to him), this is a false one

There were never any valid ways to link this saying to Mohammed...

It is a very bogus and false Hadith ..!!

The Hadith was recorded by the Ibn Uday in his book “Al Do’afaa’” (i.e. the non-trusted narrators of Hadith) as a false Hadith (4 / 225)
And recorded by “Iben Kayam AL- Jawzea ” in his book “Al Mawdoaat” (i.e. non-authentic Hadith” as false... [3 / 273]

Sheikh Al-Albani said the same [Al Albani – Selselat Al Do’afaa” Hadith # 3158 ]

also other Muslim scholars agree to the same conclusion

Narrated by Anas Bin Malik that Mohammed said ” people like the teeth of a comb- and no one is preferred on another except by the fear of Allah
Status of Hadith: denied – [Abu Hatem Al-Razi- Elels (Bad Hadiths) 3 / 118]

also the Hadith was narrated through Soliman ibn Amr (a liar) [Ibn Qaysrani – “Zakherat Al Hofaz 5 / 2538 ]

the Hadith was reported as fabricated by [Al seghani - Darr Multakat Hadith # 21]

narrated through Soliman ibn Amr (a liar) [Al Zahabi –Tartib Al Mawdoat Hadith # 244, Al Zahabi- Mizan Al E’etedal 2 / 217]


narrated by Abu Hazim – status: very denied – [Ibn Hajar Al Ashkelani- Lesan Al Mizan 2 / 330 ]

Narrated by Sahl bin Saad – status narrated through Bakkar which is not trusted – [Al Suyooti – Al Dor Al Manthor 2 / 290 ]

All Islamic scholars denied the authenticity of this Hadith, and that it can be attributed to Mohammed

How was it OK for Al Azhar and the Shiite Council to allow such a lie in the Movie?
Or is it the deceit?


Also the claim that people are equal like the teeth of a comb in Islam is contradictory to other Islamic doctrines

For Example Islam prohibits greeting Jews and Christians when meeting them first
Sahih Muslim Book 026, Number 5389:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...m/026.smt.html

Also Islam requires the submission of Dhemmis (Christians and Jews) when paying the Tribute to Muslims

Quran: 009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the ******ure as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html

The subject of Islam disparaging and insulting other non-Muslim human beings is out of question. Muslims consider themselves as masters of the world as taught by their religion. So, the doctrine of equality is a myth

to be continued ...

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