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Replying to errors in the Old Testament

Hi to all ,

Do you have a link for sites in English that reply to the "so called" errors in Creating the Universe in Genesis .

I need to reply to this :

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Originally Posted by Simo007


Question 1

The Bible says in Genesis chapter 1 verse 3 -5, the light was created on the first day, genesis chapter 1 verses 14-19 the cause of light “the stars and the sun etc.. “ was created on the fourth day, how can the cause of light be created on the fourth day later than the light which came in existence on the first day, it’s not scientific.

Question 2

Further the bible says in Genesis chapter 1 verses 9-13 earth was created on the third day, how can you have night and day without the earth, the day depends upon the rotation of the earth, without the earth created how can you have a night and day?

Question 3

Genesis chapter 1 verses 9 -13 earth was created on the third day. Genesis chapter1 verses 14-19 the sun and the moon was created on the fourth day, today science tell us that earth is part of the pairing body of the sun, it cannot come to existence before the sun, that’s unscientific.

Question 4

Bible says in genesis chapter 1 verses 11-13 the vegetation “the herbs, the Shrubs, the trees etc...” were created on the third day, and the sun in genesis chapter 1 verses 14-19 was created on the fourth day, how can the vegetation come into existence without sunlight, and how can they survive without sunlight? the seas were also formed before the sun (Genesis. 1:9-10), why didn't they quickly freeze? Why didn't the "water above" fall to the ground as snow (Genesis 1:9)?

Question 5

The bible says in Genesis chapter 1 verse 16 god created two lights the greater light ( the sun) to rule the day, and the lesser light ( the moon) to rule the night, the actual translation if we go to the Hebrew texts, it is lamps, having light of its own, and that you’ll come to know better if you read both the verses in Genesis chapter 1 verses 16-17
Verse 17 says” And God place them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth” to give light upon the earth, indicating that the sun and the moon have their own light, which is in contradiction with established scientific knowledge that we have.

Question 6

it mentions in the book of Hebrews chapter 1 verses 10-11, and in the book of Psalms chapter 102 V. 25-26, that almighty God created the heavens and the earth and they will perish, exactly the opposite is mentioned in the book of Ecclesiastes chapter 1 verse 4 and in Psalms 78 v 69 that the earth will remain forever, both can’t be correct, so which one is it? Will the earth remain forever? Or will it perish? I’ll let you guys choose which one of the verses is unscientific, the verses that says that earth will remain forever or the one that says that earth will perish, one has to be unscientific, both can’t take place in the same time, earth cannot remain forever as well as perish.
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What the bible says about creation

What the bible says about creation:
1- There was a beginning (Gen1: 1) before that no time-space domain >>> there is a creator
2- The creation took place in orderly steps, and the bible called it "days" and it goes also for "ages"
3- Every species was created "according to its own kind" … so there is no macro-evolution (one species changes to another)
4- God stopped creation in the end of the process (God rested: Genesis 2:2)

The link between Science and Creation
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It is all about giving Earth (not Heaven) a form from the formless start
The key concept is to start looking at the steps of creation from the Spirit of God view point >>>>

1- "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Gen1: 1) … this should include everything in heaven and earth: i.e. the stars , galaxies, sun, moon and even the Earth with all raw materials like soil, water and everything that is not living yet

2- "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" (Gen 1:2): this should confirm that we are not speaking about forming earth from scratch, it already had waters, and the Spirit of God is upon the face of these earthy waters
And it is very important to recognize the presence and location of "Spirit of God" … this would be our reference location "face of the waters"

3- " And God said, Let there be light: and there was light" (Gen 1:3)
If we took our reference point as the "face of the waters", where the Spirit of God was hovering over, then we can understand that:

The light became visible from the vantage point of the Spirit of God i.e. if you are looking from "face of the waters" like the Spirit of God

So this is not about creating light but about making light visible to earth, as the light was created from the start when it was said "God created the heavens and the earth"

This can be confirmed by the next verse "God divided the light from the darkness. And God Called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night" (Gen1: 4-5)
So the light, being visible to earth, it was further divided into day and night
But the light/dark cycle was not visible enough through the formless gases around the early Earth to recognize the Sun and Moon yet

Science approves:
The dense gases around the early Earth would become translucent allowing small amount of light to reach the surface of the Earth >>> Vital for photosynthesis and the next step of plant creation

4- " And God said, let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." (Gen1: 6)
Here God separated the clouds (waters) from oceans (waters)
Here, also, the earth was one big pool of water (one big ocean)

Science approves:
With light getting into the surface of Earth, the heated water would evaporate into clouds. This would start the hydrological cycle needed for life.

5- " And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together to one place, and let the dry land appear; and it was so" (Gen1: 9)
Here God gathered the oceans (waters), so that the dry lands might appear
"And God called the dry land, Earth. And He called the gathering together of the waters, Seas. And God saw that it was good" (Gen1: 10)

Science approves:
The next logical step after the light accessing into Earth and evaporation of some waters to form clouds.. the remaining waters would gather allowing dry land to appear

6- Then the next steps after the appearance of dry land is to "Let the earth put forth grass" (Gen1: 11)

Science approves:
Of course, this grass appearance needed the previous visibility of Light/Dark cycle, the gathering of waters, and the appearance of dry land

7- Then the Light/dark cycle become more specific and more visible from the surface of the Earth (Gen1: 14-18)
From the prospective of "Spirit of God" on the face of waters, God made the sky clearer so that the stars, the Sun, the Moon and everything else in the sky became more visible "for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years" (Gen1: 14)

Science approves:
This implicates that the earth atmosphere became more clear (Less dense atmosphere) and more oxygen-filled (with the grass doing photosynthesis) and ready for the next step

8- Then the next step would be to "Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures" (Gen1: 20)
Now it is ready for the first form of animals i.e. sea animals (that need oxygen and cannot do photosynthesis like plants and grass)

Science approves:
Notice that the first life form was in the sea as science tells us
Then other creatures followed (Gen1: 21-25)
"And God created the great sea-monsters, and every living creature that moveth, wherewith the waters swarmed, after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind: and God saw that it was good" (Gen1: 21)

9- Then God created man "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth" (Gen1: 26)

Science approves:
The order of appearance according to geological records is sea animals, land animals, and then lastly Man

So, as we can see it is all about what happened on Earth from the prospective of a watching eye sitting on "the face of the waters", which is the same prospective of the Spirit of God (Gen1: 2)

Ref: Ralph O. Muncaster, Examine the Evidence (2004), Harvest House publishers, pp 75-80
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