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![]() JIHAD (HOLLY WAR) ----- Allah( the God) of islam just , and order the muslims to TERRORIZE on his behalf , when possible, those who don,t submit to his rule.The sacred book of Islam says" Fight ( kill) them (non- muslims)and Allah will punish them (torment ) them by your hands, cover them with shame " " Iwill instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them ....it is not you who slew them it was Allah " ------------------------ Muhammed said " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say none has the right to be worshipped but Allah" Al Bukhari vol 4-196 It is worth noting here that the word FIGHT and KILL appear in the Quran more frquently than the word PRAY Mrtyrdom is also encouraged and the incentive is an instant ,luxurious heaven " And If you are slain or die in the way of Allah forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass" surah 9-14 surah 8-12-17 surah 3-157 --------------- The only ASSURANCE a muslims has of going to heaven is thruogh fighting for the cause of spreading Islam (Jihad) and being martyred in the process ---------------- Heaven in Isalm is the place where a muslim man will be reclining , eating meat and delicious fruits drinking exquisite wines,and engaging in sex with beautiful, heavenly women and there are also eternally-young . beautiful males . there is no mention of women,s rewardes surah(52-17---19--20--22--24--) and surah 4--57 surah 76-12--22-surah 55-54-56- surah 47--15 ------------------------------------ PERSPECTIVE OF WOMEN 1- Earthly women are inferior to the beautiful, heavenly virgin women.Allah has peomised to give 40 and more of those heavenly women to those who submit to him and are willing to die for his cause of gaining more physical territory for Islam (surah-55-54-56--:37-48-49) 2-Allah encourages polygamy .saying " Marry women of your choice two,or three,or four or a ( captive ) that your right hands possess that will be more suitable " surah 4--3- 3-women,s mind are deficient ( hadith - vol-3:826) 4-The women,s share of the inheritance is half of the man (surah-4:11) 5-Wifes are subject to punishment and beating by the husband (surah-4:34) 6- In the court, the testimonyof one man is equivalent to the testimony of two women ( surah -2-282) ------------------------------ THE LAW OF ABROGATION According to the Quran itself Allah sometimes substitutes a "better" verse or passage for one previously given, thus superceding the first one ... " None of our revelations (verses) do we abrogate or cause to be forgotten but we substitute somethnig better or similar . knowest thou not that Allah hath power over all things: surah 2-106 "Allah doth blot out or confirm what he pleaseth with Him is the mother of the book" surah 13--39 most muslim scholar are agreed that surah 9-5-( called the verses of sward ) supercedes most of the previous verses regarding jihad. In spite of this general agreement many modern libral muslim leaders especially in the west ,quote the earlier (( peaceful)) verses in order to validate Islam being peaceful religion Some of the Quranic verses wifh have abrogated others include (even if they are) of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) untill they pay the Jizya (poll tax)with willing submission and feel themselves subdued ( surah 9-29-31-) |
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TWO KINDS OF OBLIGATIONS To understand Jihad in its simplest form one must go back to the issue of obligation-or "fard"in Islamic teaching - There are two kinds of obligations Fard al-Ayn and Fard al-Kifa Fard Al-Ayn is obligatory on all(with some exceptions),such prayer,fasting,zakat(or almsgiving) However ,Fard.al-kyfaya is an obligation by consensus to those who volunteer and join a particular mission force to carry out their Islamic duties e.g mambers of ((El-Quaida The Muslim scholar Ben Hisham mention that Yeman is the origin of the Arabs .The big city in Yemen called Hadoramot was named after their forefather hadrom son of Jakton , the fifth from Noah ( also in Gen 10-21-26) The Muslim holy book (surah 11-82) mentions flamed hail which fell on Yemen from heaven which indicate a natural disaster such as a volcanic eruptian Another disaster happened to the people of Hadoram when a flood engulfed their high dam . these disasters made them flee to the desert peninsula of Saudi Arabia in the north There they were called Arabs, which means the people of the desert -------------------------------------------------------- While the empires of Persia ,Byzantium and Rome were declining in power ,the Arabs were united under the banner of Islam the new religion founded by Muhammad The Muslim missionary soldiers marched out of the desert of the Arabian Peninsula ,armed to conquer the Middle East and beyond They invited people to adopt the religion of Islam ,to pay monetary tribute with submission or to be tortured to death They forced their Arabic language on the people living there and succeeded in arabizing all the schools and the official departments wiping out all non-Arabic influence . The exceptions to this to this were countries like Iran and Turkey wich maintained their original languages Now the Muslim countries in the area are generally called Arab countries ,even though they were not originally Arabs However ,the Arab world with all associated countries as we know them today did not exist before Islam before Islam occupied the region in the 7th century ------------------------------------------------------- But Isn,t Ishmael the father of the Arabs?? --------------------------------------------------------------- Wew learnt that Hadoram is the fathers of the Yemenites from whom originate the Arabs while Hadoram son of Jakton is the fifth from Noah we find that Ishamel is the tenth from Noah That means that Ishmael can,t be the father of the Arabs for the following reasons ------ 1-The Arabs existed before Ishmael .They are from different lineage. from Jakton whereas Ishmael Peleg(Gen-10-25)(Gen-11)or(Chron1-8-26) 2-Ishmael was not an Arab,as his father( Abram ) was from Chaldea and his mother Hagar was Egyptians 3- we find no mention in the memory of the Arabs, history of Ishmael marrying an Arab woman which would have been too significant an event not to be remembered amongst their wellborn history In fact we read(Gen-21-21-)that Ishmael married an Egptian woman Muhammed ,the Arab founder of Islam was able to create a powerful patriotism by linking himself and his followers (with no proof)to Abraham through Ishmael This is in spite of the fact that there is no recorde of Muhammed,s lineage beyond his his seventh forefather Adnan He also propagated the idea that Abraham and Ishmael were the first to dedicate the black stone in Mecca as the central place for worshiping his god "Allah " Muhammed hoped for the support of both Jews and Christians ,who appreciate Abraham as the father of their faith and of the prophets When Jews and Christians didn,t support Muhammed,s views ,he declared in his holly book (surah 3-67) that Abraham was neither a Jews nor a Christian, but a good Muslim Muhammed also in ( surah4- 46) covered his conflict with the bible by claiming that Jews and Christianss have corrupted the Bible ---- |
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![]() The Crusades Many people in the west struggle with feeling of guilt because the terrible way their ((Christian)) forefathers treated the muslims during the Crusades around the 12 th Century .The crusades were prompted by earlier Muslims conquest throughout the Middle East towards Europea as far as Spain Now many Christians feel this guilt lessened as they " turn the other cheek" towards muslims who are making Christians pay the price every day for maintaining their faith Is it our right to turn the other cheek and abandon our Christians brothers and sisters to suffer under the rule of Islam ?? ----------------------------------- Fundamentalist muslims are those who are willing to go to any length of aggression to grant Islam a better chance in the world following the footsteps and the instructions of Muhammed ,the founder of Islam But the muslimare who prefer to make their approach according to what is acceptable by the strong and the civilized world ----- Muslim groups might argue ,and even fight and kill each other,but they still have on spirit and loyalty to the same Allah (god) We,d like the (( Moderate)) muslims to answer for us these questions --Are the muslim extremists really misinterpreting parts of Quran ? --What these parts? --And What are the correct interpretation of them ? ---------------------------------------------- The fact that Islam succeeded in the occupied countries to turn hundreds of churches into mosques and to manipulate the inhabitans to become more than 90% Muslims after being neerly 90% Christians made the remaining Christians content to be treated as second-class citizens They lives as exiles in their countries ,restricted and humiliated dailly , Such as in work, worship and in law courts and cannot be protected against the Muslim major Many are being killed and massacred Others convert to Islam in order to secure their families In Egypt alone (75 millions population---15%Christians) more than 15,000 Christians convert to Islam annually However the converts to Chrisatianity are likely to be persecuted- (many tortured to death) some in jail Our persecuted Christians brothers and sisters are often discouraged when the rest of the Christian throughout the worlod ignore them it is not fair to keep silent and shut our eyes to what happening to them doing nothing about their increasing suffering --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Jews , Hindus, and others(-non Muslims-) have the same suffering |
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![]() Wew read in the New Teastament (Romans 13-1-6-) that GOD has established the governing authorities and that we should submit to them and pay taxes They GOD,s servants and bear the sward against wrong-doers In old Teastament God said to Moses his his authorized leader of Israel : (( Eye for eye and tooth for tooth)) Deut. 19-21- Was given also to protect the vulnerable families of Israel againest people who might take advantage of them God instructed them to kill those who attack their families during their journey towards the land of their forefathers Abraham,Isaacand Jcob The Amalekites were the first to attack the Israelites consistently after their axodus from Egypt (EX. 17- The( eye for eye)was God,s second instruction as a "Civil -law"given to moses to govern the Israelites The first instruction is "The moral law" call the ten commandments The third instruction is "The Ceremonial law" of the holidays ,celebrations,offerings and sacrifices JESUS emphasized : Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets .....but to fulfill them (Mat.5-17) JESUS never opposed the rulers Instead He opposed the religious hypocrites for taking the ******ure to the letter rather than by the spirit of its words He spoke on the personl relationship level Sying " I tell you do not resist on evel person .If someone strikes you on thye right cheek , turn to him the other also"Mat 5-39" JESUS was not correcting what is ((written)) but correcting what the people have" heard " In other words JESUS spoke against manipulating the ******ure ,as the Israelites took it on themselves to apply the Civil Law ,judjing and sntencing each others and people to GOD JESUS come to reconcile people to each other , and people to GOD He also tought us to take care of those whom GOD has entrusted us with We should take responsilbiltyfor defending them not to forgive on behalf of them thus following the example of the Good Shepherd Romans12-18-19 says "If it is possible , as far as it depends on you , live at peace with everyone Do not take revenge ------------------------------- SOME( ANTI - GOSPEL) DOCTRINES OF ISLAME 1-Islam is the final revelation that came seven centuries after Christ ,the god of Islam is sovereign 2-There is no original sin to be inherited ( surah -20--121--122)(--2--37) 3-The good deed concels 10 dad deeds ,along with giving alms to the needy brothers within thier faith (surah-4-46) 4- The word of GOD in the BIBLE had been corrupted and was superceded by Allah,s revelation to Muhammed 5- The Trinity of GOD is false and so the Christians is no better than pagans (surah -4-171-) 6-Another name for Gabriel the Angel is the Holly Spirit ( surah 2-87,253 )( 16-102-) 7-Christians worship Jesus,s Mother ,Mary ( surah 5-116) 8-Christ is only a man -not -Allah -He was not crucified ,but instead Allah rescued and lifted hem from earth ( surah -3--59-)(4-157) 9-Jesus will come before the end days to proclaim that Islam is his religion,to break the cross, to kil the pigs. to marry and have children 10- Jesus come only for the Childeren of Israel and to prophesy about the comming of Muhammed ,who come for the whole world (surah -61-13-) 11- Christians rejected Muhammed out of stubbornness just as the jews reject Jesus ( surah -5-95-) --------------------------------------------- 12-Islam will eventually CONQUER and rule the world ( surah 61-13-) ------------------------------------------------- 13- There is no difference between religion and state ( surah -33-38-62) 14- Muslims should live at peace with non- muslims when they have to , but in general a muslim should not be loyal to a non- muslim The basic rule is that non- muslim should surrender to Islam or to be fought against or tortured ( surah -.The Spoils. 6--12--`17)(9--14--3--118) ------------------------------------------------------ Ministring to Muslims In this task we have one and only one helper who is GOD the Holly Spirit By his power we are to countract the age-old continual work of the devil So what should we consider and how can we share GOD,s good news with Muslims ? 1- Wew need to have a reasonable idea about the Muslim,s belief 2-Asking them with sincere interest would help us to learn more about their belief -they are more than happy to teach us .hoping to gain points towards reachig heaven . Doing that will help them to be more open While we can comment from the Bible on what we find similar or different That will give them interest , curiosity and understanding of the Gospel without us preaching to them 3-We need to know what we are not building on or filling the gap in the Muslim,s information about GOD Rather we are teaching about different GOD from their god 4- Muslim were tought that their god is strong ,mighty and fearsome along with other wrong things This make our GOD seem weak .fake and unworthy of worship when we emphasise from the start GOD,s love shown in Christ that should prompt us to teach first about God,s judgment and anger against our sinfulness because His Holiness 5- Exchanging ideas using the first 3 of the booklet series ((GOD,s prophets )) wich suits their mind and taste ------------------ Dear Brothers in Christ if you print this article wnd send it randamly to any address it may be usefull to throw the light on this evel cult G-BU ![]() |
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